Here’s a really great interview with Buck 65. Among other things, he speaks very candidly about bootlegging and how it affects him as an artist as well as on a personal level. I’ve never heard an artist comment about music piracy in the context of his/her relationship with the fans before. I wonder if Buck’s sentiments are common among those in the same predicament. Link

…part of my thinking leading up to the decision to make a bunch of music available for free, whether it was the ‘Dirty Work’ thing through MySpace, or the ‘Strong Arm’ mixtape project that I did through my website, was I really got to the point where I believed that for better or worse, the value in music – or at least the perceived value in music, had just gone. People just didn’t really see much value in it, and I was not going to continue to fight a losing battle or cry over spilt milk. So I thought well, if people don’t really want to pay for music any more anyway then I might as well really try to adopt a new way of thinking, and try to find new ways to make a living, and as far as music goes, you might as well give it away for free, if people are not ever going to pay for it anyway.

…on my last tour, I tried to help out my own cause. At a certain point, what becomes the focus for me is trying to make a living, and I don’t really have a fall back plan, so I have to figure out ways within this one thing I know how to do, to try to get my rent paid. So on my last tour, I put together a whole bunch of bootleg titles, and I was selling them, and about half way through the tour, I started to see the sales go way way down, and you know it didn’t take a genius to figure out it only took that number of weeks for it to spread all over the internet. But I was coming face to face with people who were walking up to the merch table, looking at everything that I had available there, and saying, ‘I’ve downloaded all this stuff, there’s nothing here for me’, and then just walking away. It’s kind of like, it’s one thing just to know that it’s happening out there, and it’s invisible. But to be confronted with it, face to face, to have a person walk right up to your face, and to say ‘I’ve stolen all your art, and I don’t give a shit, fuck you, you have nothing for me,’ and then just walking away, it’s weird, it’s really weird. Then later that night, you’re on stage, and you’re looking at all these people, and you’re performing for them, and you’re there to provide a service for them, and at the same time trying to remember all the things that are valuable and good about what you’re doing in the first place, i.e.: ‘I love this, I love music and that’s why I’m here’. But sometimes you have to fight off the feeling that your audience is also your enemy in a weird way. They’re the people preventing you from putting food in your mouth. At the end of the day they don’t give a shit about you. They will rob money right out of your pocket if they have the opportunity to do so. You have to try really hard to not think about that, but the reality of it is, essentially that’s what’s going on, and it’s gotten to the point, where people don’t mind telling you right to your face, ‘I don’t know who you are as a person, you may or may not be nice, but as far as what you can do for me, you know, it’s just a matter of what I can take from you, and if you can make some sort of separation, and separate out the human part of you, and really think about it in terms of, I don’t know what, cause it’s not business, stealing doesn’t really fit into a definition of business in a way that really makes sense.. But if you can make the separation, ‘cause on a human level, to be confronted with that face to face, it’s tough, so you kind of have to put yourself aside almost completely, and accept the fact that you’re just this thing for people, and that’s a hard thing to accept, and it is a lot to ask it’s hard to say I’m going to put myself as a person with feeling aside as I try to do this job, but it’s what you have to do.

see also:
Sage Francis and Buck 65 Join Forces



  1. whodat on Sep 8, 2007

    on the Alias/Buck/Sage tour, I get up to the merch booth after the show, lookin around, see all sorts of shit on the table but nothing from Buck, so I ask the cat working what that was about? “Oh Buck cut out after his set and took all his stuff with him, you missed it dude”

    never in my life have i picked up anything before/during the show, always after. i’m not gonna be standing around for hours sweaty hands holdin shit. so as much as i hear what Buck’s sayin…i’ve gotta certain sense of “wtf” goin on in the back of my mind…ya know?

  2. Ming-Tzu on Sep 9, 2007

    I hear ya…but maybe there was some sort of emergency or something…I cant speak for Buck though…but for the two shows I went to in NYC, Buck was there at the merch table throughout the night except during his set…so not sure what happened that night…you should email him and see what the deal was…im sure he would sell you some stuff

  3. scoops on Sep 9, 2007

    sure people may be downloading music, but they’re also paying $15(average?) to see Buck 65 perform live. I’d hardly consider that an enemy. I obviously understand his point, but it’s a tricky scenario.

  4. Ming-Tzu on Sep 9, 2007

    Yeah it’s definitely a tricky scenario. He even informed people on his website and myspace before the tour started that he would be making tour CDs and not to bootleg these releases until the tour was over because the sales were going to help him pay rent. I guess no one listened after a while.

  5. lauren on Sep 9, 2007

    As someone who primarily makes a living through music I appreciate Buck 65′s thoughts on the subject. It was interesting to hear the old rehashed pirating argument broken down in a human way. Honestly the validation of pirating is way worse in America than in other places. In Asia and Europe they put a much higher premium on “intellectual property” than we do. American’s seem to have an apathetic attitude of entitlement that I don’t see fading anytime soon. It’s really a shame but I suppose it just means that musicians will have to find new side hustles to supplement recorded media.

    For the record I don’t really think Buck 65 is really hurting for $. But if you feel like supporting him..buy one of those cd’s on tour and flip it on ebay. Both of you win.

    Ming, here is an interesting thread about emcee’s selling beats to lesser known musicians. It’s very related.

    http://p211.ezboard.com/Name-Underground-RappersProducers-Who-Sell-VersesBeats/fla2thebayfrm1.showMessage?topicID=4956.topic

  6. Ming-Tzu on Sep 10, 2007

    Thanks for the link Lauren!

    Too many people download music as a replacement for purchasing the product instead of using it as a supplement to see what they like and don’t like and make their purchase from there. But like Buck said, maybe with this over-saturated indie market, people won’t mess with hip-hop anymore, which will pave the way for artists who really love making music and, hopefully, quality music. Let’s hope that happens in our lifetime.

    Even so, there is still a good amount of quality music coming out nowadays. It’s just harder to find.

  7. Shannon on Sep 14, 2007

    What a great interview.

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